tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post6581546168435600986..comments2023-03-21T09:04:38.017-04:00Comments on Education Outrage: The math lobby makes Obama bang the drum for more mathRoger Schankhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14567989582447087635noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-20906645519511844722011-03-04T16:22:24.446-05:002011-03-04T16:22:24.446-05:00Probably a better argument is this: when you empha...Probably a better argument is this: when you emphasize one or two "subjects" over any other, than those become the emphasis in the classrooms. Tested=more important. Ask classroom teachers how much time or importance is given to life skills, cultural studies, geography, arts, music, physical education, health and wellness, personal finance... I could go on and on. There isn't a single topic above that I would give up for the students I teach. They are ALL essential for children to grow and become successful adults.Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15579202992634736988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-48199241697727275652011-02-25T08:05:01.447-05:002011-02-25T08:05:01.447-05:00Sure. Curiously, if you ask a mathematician for a ...Sure. Curiously, if you ask a mathematician for a good book in mathematics what he or she is going to recommend you is that it has lots of interesting exercises. Learing by heart mathematical facts doesn't make anyone smarter, but still the system tends to evaluate "results" and not so much "processes".<br /><br />This is not to mean that facts are not important. At least something must be known in order to be able to reason correctly about it, and that's another side of education.<br /><br />I agree with you that both how school evaluates and what it evaluates does not help people to live better lifes.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18121891002517705196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-61560016804650726802011-02-24T20:04:26.379-05:002011-02-24T20:04:26.379-05:00science in school means memorizing formulas and me...science in school means memorizing formulas and memorizing the names of science; if it did indeed mean reasoning from evidence i would be all for science; Obama is not pushing science or mathematics because he wants people to reason better; reasoning should and can be taught directly without reliance on traditional academic subjectsRoger Schankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567989582447087635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-80912651883425955292011-02-24T05:15:53.261-05:002011-02-24T05:15:53.261-05:00I agree, that can be taught without teaching math,...I agree, that can be taught without teaching math, but better? If you understand a problem, you idealize it, abstract or generalize from it, etc... you'll be doing math indeed, so why trying to "hide" that that is what you're actually doing? Mathematical techniques have been developed that are there to be used (not to be rediscovered again and again), and people should know that. Also, and not directly related to math, you'll also want your children, to give an example, to know about their bodies and their environment. Don't you think only science can give sensible answers to that kind of matters? Children do not really need to know precisely how those answers were obtained, but they should certainly know that they exist, and that they are somehow important for their lifes and the lifes of their children.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18121891002517705196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-90025804577880467922011-02-23T19:40:18.463-05:002011-02-23T19:40:18.463-05:00nonsense; all those things can be better taught wi...nonsense; all those things can be better taught without mathematicsRoger Schankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14567989582447087635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7072440028440011959.post-43513316724869640862011-02-23T09:24:11.483-05:002011-02-23T09:24:11.483-05:00Roger, I'm sure there must be different reason...Roger, I'm sure there must be different reasons to be concerned about people learning some mathematics and science in general. By learning science and math we also learn such things as how to obtain, interpret, organize, represent and evaluate information. We also learn to know the difference between a mere hypothesis and a stablished fact, and, as a corollary, that important decisions cannot be made from judicious guesses based on uncertain premisses.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18121891002517705196noreply@blogger.com